Jamee Pineda  00:15
Hi, I'm Jamee Pineda and this is The  Decolonizing Medicine Podcast. I am a queer non binary trans person and my ancestors are Tagalog and Chinoy.  My healing arts practice is located at Fruitcamp in Baltimore, Maryland. I am so excited for this next next guest because they're absolutely positively luscious. Joy Tabernacle KMT is a hoodoo healer, mother, artist, ceremonial list, spiritual teacher, liberation, mystic and opulence. She is a guide to intense passionate powerful beings that carry big, wild beautiful mojo medicine and magic that requires deep support. Radical witnessing courageous choice and resident resident clarity for expansion and expression. Hi, Joy, welcome to the decolonizing medicine podcast. How are you doing today?

Joy Tabernacle KMT  01:40
I am very excited to be here. Very excited to be talking with you. You know, you know I love you, Jamee. So, yeah,

Jamee Pineda  01:49
we love you too. Where are you by the way?

Joy Tabernacle KMT  01:55
Right now I am in Virginia at a state park. Just sitting in my sitting in my motorhome. So

Jamee Pineda  02:04
it looks really sunny and blue, where you are.

Joy Tabernacle KMT  02:08
It is also really chilly. But the fall colors are giving I wish I could show you but with, oh there

Jamee Pineda  02:16
Oh, yeah. Yes. Yeah, it's cold here in Baltimore, too. I woke up and it was in the 30s. And I was like, I'm not ready. I'm not ready for this amount of cold. But it is what it is.

Joy Tabernacle KMT  02:31
Yeah, I have to travel up to Pennsylvania, tomorrow. And I'm just like, I can't wait to be going south or southwest as soon as possible. Not looking forward to cold temperatures. But you know

Jamee Pineda  02:49
 It will be delicious when you finally get to be in the warm again.

Joy Tabernacle KMT  02:54
In the desert, that's where I want to be. I'm excited for that. I've only been to the desert once and the energy there was amazing. And I can't wait to go back and just be there for a while.

Jamee Pineda  03:09
I'm like, I have such compassion for that I am looking forward to you being there as well. And what that feels like in your body and what that feels like energetically. I grew up in Southern California so that like warm dry heat is very much my thing. I like it. So I generally write down questions for folks, whenever we do an interview for the podcast to kind of guide what we talk about, but I You're the first person where I'm taking like direct quotes from what you wrote down just because I loved how I just love how you wrote them. I love how poetic they sound. And I'm gonna start off with one quote, that is "I am decolonizing the ideas of divine and spirit" and I would love to understand what that means to you. I know what that means to me. But what does that mean to you?

Jamee Pineda  0:15  
Hi, I'm Jamee Pineda and this is The Decolonizing Medicine Podcast. I am a queer non binary trans person and my ancestors are Tagalog and Chinoy my healing arts practice is located at Fruitcamp in Baltimore, Maryland. My guest for this episode is Dr. Justina Kamiel Grayman. Justina is an artist who studies, practices, and processes for designing beautiful spaces of deep connection home and family. With a BA in Psychology from Stanford and a PhD in psychology and social intervention from NYU, Justina's studies have always centered on understanding how we communicate with each other in ways that build power, connect, and mobilize us. Justina is currently developing Raw Movement. Raw Movement provides tools, resources and research labs for dancer choreographer artists leaders to explore and practice co designing spaces of deep connection, home and family.

Hi, Justina, welcome to The Decolonizing Medicine Podcast. How are you doing today?

Justina Grayman  1:47  
I'm doing okay. I'm a little tired at the moment. But happy to be here.

Jamee Pineda  1:52  
Yeah, happy to finally talk with you on the show. I feel like I always encounter you through Clarinda's Matriarchal Business stuff. And you always have super insightful things to say. And I'm like, I want to continue this conversation. 

Justina Grayman  2:08  
Well, thank you. 

Jamee Pineda  2:09  
So yeah, so I'm just really glad to have this space with you. So I want to ask, I want to start off with like, just a quick introduction. I'll have you just quickly introduced yourself and your work.  And just share, share a little bit more about like what your projects look like right now.

Justina Grayman  2:31  
Sure. I forgot. This is where you ask questions about me.

My name is Justina I identify as an artist. And I make art. And one of my main projects right now is called Raw Movement. And it's a whole big thing. It's an organization. It's a system. But it's bringing people together to co create spaces of deep connection, home, family. I'm all about the family vibes. And all about discovering how we come together and connect. And all of the messiness that's involved in that.