Bringing it Back to the Land with kuwa jasiri Indomela

​[The Decolonizing Medicine Podcast S01E07.  Original release date November 19, 2021.]

Jamee Pineda
Hi, you are listening to the decolonizing medicine podcast. I'm your host, Jamee Pineda, coming to you from Piscataway territory, otherwise known as Baltimore, Maryland. I happen to be recording today on Undas, aka Araw Ng Mga Patay, or Day of the Dead. In the islands now known as the Philippines. This is a practice of pre colonial origins where people would spend time visiting family graves and communing with their ancestors. I'm not able to visit my ancestors graves in person right now, but my work, my values, and inspiration are rooted in those that came before me to contribute to the liberation of those that come after me. This is why this podcast center's Black and Brown practitioners and conversations about decolonization and healing work. I've got a few quick announcements to list off for you all. I am very excited to share that my first ever zine is now available online in a digital format. It's called Metal: Ritual + Reflection. This zine is part of a seasonally themed series on the five phases of Chinese medicine. If you are interested in working with me one on one for Hilot or Chinese medicine. My books are now open for November and December of this year. For more info on my work or to sign up for my email list go to linktr.ee/jameepinedahealingarts and that's link tree spelled li nk tr.ee. my guest for today is kuwa jasiri Indomela. kuwa jasiri is a seed plus medicine plus birth keeper, storyteller plus wordsmith plus coach, and the one engages in international writing and speaking opportunities that affirm people of heritage. As an intersex, Ghanaian Cuban, the one is immersed in their ancestral traditions, liberation and rest. The one infiltrates able-bodied, pale or white, and cis-led spaces advocating for us marginalized folks and resource return. This founding steward of Artistic Apothecary currently resides on Taino territory, otherwise known as Boriken. Okay, welcome listeners to The Decolonizing Medicine Podcast. And I'm so excited for today's conversation with kuwa jasiri Indomela. kuwa jasiri would you like to do a quick introduction of yourself?

kuwa jasiri
Hi, my first name is kuwa jasiri and I am an intersex Ghanaian Cuban Seminole Creole Sulu. I guess I like the six words. Seed medicine birth keeper, storyteller. wordsmith, coach.


Jamee Pineda
Oh, I love it. So I'm, I'm so excited to ask you questions about the work that you're doing. It's so fascinating and I'd love for folks to learn more about it as well. So how did you? How did the Artistic Apothecary come into being? What what is the Artistic Apothecary?


kuwa jasiri
Thank you for having me in this space and stewarding this space that we all need as community. I'm the founding steward of Authentic Creations, Artistic Apothecary. Through the cultivation and distribution of cultural seeds. We affirm the the societal greatness of genderqueer people of heritage, people of culture, people, the global majority, also known as people of color. So we use a genderqueer umbrella term to work with kind of like Two Spirit intersex, non binary agender genderless type, gender identities. We're naming for ourselves by ourselves who we are. So we're definitely creating narratives for ourselves, getting our narratives out there. And then it all kind of culminated with this back to the land movement I would say with the seeds as our main focus and I think refusal as kind of our second modality as far as societal practices go. We're just like teaching people to refuse that refuse those narratives and a lot of embodiment work, I would say. And so how that is what we do and how we came into existence, I would say when I was 20, I graduated college and I was just frustrated. With all this education, I was unable to like meet my own needs. And so to remedy that I started researching them, do it yourself and rewilding practices or movements or communities that were centered around nature. So I began growing my own vegetables, which led me to perennials, wild plants, and forgings, which then kind of led me to seeds and my ancestral love of seeds that I now cultivate. The next Sun cycle, I teamed up with the indigenous Dine Solidarity Network and through the love and sharing of their culture, the Dine elders kind of let me know that I had gifts to give them. And so I kind of created Artistic Apothecary as like a platform where I could put my skills and craft into the world and support my community.


Jamee Pineda
I love it. Could you just expand very quickly on the term rewilding? And what that means?


kuwa jasiri
Um sure, I guess to me, rewilding is a back to nature movement predicated on this thought that we are domestic right now, like humans are domestic, there's a lot of other animals that are domestic. And so rewilding is like, reestablishing our spot in nature, because we are part of the natural cycle. And so like, once again, doing that duty.


Jamee Pineda
That, to me sounds like such a key component of what decolonization means to me. And I just like didn't hadn't heard that term before. So thank you, for bringing that into the conversation. I was looking through your website, and I saw this quote that really struck me and it's, "I have found one to one relationships to be where transformation happens." Can you expand on that a little bit?


kuwa jasiri
Definitely, I would say, in my own life, I'm just noticing, that's like a main thing that I do. And so I'm just noticing what's going on. And I'm just noticing there are so many types of relationships, and we're always in relationship. And so I wanted to kind of share what I think some types of relationships are, because I think, what in my own journey, I kind of started noticing, like, oh, I only have like these three boxes for what a relationship is, or can be with who it can be with. So just very quickly, just the six types of relationships that I was thinking are kind of like society, that's like social media platform, email, messages that we're getting through newsletters, or videos or books, humans, which are the ones that we probably know, most commonly, including generational attachments, community relationships with groups, cultures, religions, events. And nature, that's the one I'm trying to bring back. Because with the plants, the other animals in the land. Also, we have relationship with places like locations, the dream world, if we ever have out of body experiences, that's a place and our relationship to regulation. So societal norms, structures, rules, policies, schedules, calendars. So that's kind of like, why I went to one to one because I got a risk coach, I have a spiritual coach and work with beings one on one in the spirit world. And I started tracking those relationships. And I noticed it's easier to track those relationships and grow and evolve and notice your patterns. And how you show up in the roles that you play in these relationships. Which I think is kind of like a deep work or at least where we are right now. This is deep work. That the structure of one to one really curates like tailoring it you have someone who's there Usually with skills that they're offering you, you're giving like your vulnerability, this is what's going on for me and how I'm interacting with that. And so that's what I love about, maybe it's humaneness, but the relationships and the dynamics and the maybe intersections. And so there's so much going on, you think about a relationship and how you're engaging with it. And so I'm just noticing that one to one really just allows for, I would say, exponential growth. But then also, knowing that, like group sessions are also they have magic too. It's not just like one or the other.


Jamee Pineda
I find one-to-one work to be, like, pretty deeply intimate. And it's like being it's being held in a much different way than in proof spaces. So I definitely appreciate that. And I think that's a very special type of, of relational work.


kuwa jasiri
I also say, as a coach, I am learning to, to let go, right, because there's a there's an element of control that you can have in that position of like supporting someone else's growth, and to really be able to allow them their own control of their life and their destiny and not pushing anything on that. And kind of that balance is what I'm learning in my, my own practice of being a coach is really letting, letting it come through me but not be like about me or my goals or objectives for that person. It's all them and the skills and talents that I can offer them to move them forward on their journey.


Jamee Pineda
It sounds like it's a real practice of, of boundaries and like decentering the self, why in order to help the other person manifest whatever it is that they need to manifest, the centering


kuwa jasiri
style, that is what I'm learning.


Jamee Pineda
So I'm curious, what does, what does your coaching practice look like? What is liberation coaching?


kuwa jasiri
Yeah, I call my practice liberation coaching. And so I want to help people with their psychological and societal blocks, offering remedies for generational trauma, breaking generational curses, and overall, just like a freeing of ourselves. I offer in the sessions, my skills in meditation, rest, play, herbal medicine, magic, spirituality. And I always bring in kind of my own ethnicity, and gender and sexuality, but also that of the person and really wanting people to connect back to what their ancestry is their culture, things that have been taken from them, and really kind of tailoring the spirituality even to like, bringing up ethnicity and gender and sexuality for that person. And then of course, that all is just rooted in a back to nature. way of being?


Jamee Pineda
Can I ask a clarifying question about that, with when you're working with folks who might not know their ancestry, or maybe have a contentious relationship with their ancestors, or maybe they don't feel unsafe? Or maybe they feel unsafe, connecting with their ancestors? How do you approach that?


kuwa jasiri
Usually, like I was saying, bringing it back to the land, like usually we know our continent of origin, and to connect with that land base, because usually the contentiousness isn't with the land, it's with the humans. And so we can, and I'm noticing in my own journey, right, Africa, Cuba, all of these places that I am from, specifically Africa right now is just working on that relationship with the continent itself, the land mass. What do you need from me? What do I need from you to feel safe and all of these things to remedy our story? I'm kind of starting there and also not pushing it. Like if anyone isn't ready for ancestral work or ancestral connection, understanding that we all have stories and we're all in a different part of our story. And you don't you don't need an ancestral connection to Be on your journey. So that's what it is to like, maybe I give a little push, or it gives some, hey, let's just talk about where you're at. And then, you know, do you want to push, do you want to get to the other side, but then also, like, I'm constantly talking about my ancestry too, because I'm mirroring everything that's going on giving my examples of lived experience, and I live, you know, in, not in harmony, but like in tandem with my ancestry. And so it comes up, and I've heard some people just like, he just kept talking about it. And after a while, you know, I started hearing it differently, you know, and that's, that's just a journey for everybody. You plant a seed, or you're authentic, and your example of self radiates around?


Jamee Pineda
I really appreciate that, I often get the question. I often get questions from people on how to connect to their ancestry because they live in diaspora. And they feel disconnected in all these ways. And I do really think that nature is one of the ways to get at that, to get out one's ancestry and to get that connection, that's maybe less threatening for folks. So they absolutely relate to what you're saying they're gonna ask another question. And I am wondering what you mean by the five aspects of thriving? And how do we balance that?


kuwa jasiri
Yeah. And I want to say thank you for your questions, I'm very clear about what I need, sometimes in your questions really, like challenged me and put things in perspective and aligned it. And that's been really exciting for me, it's just interacting with your questions. So I usually start with balancing the five aspects of thriving, so living, loving, being resting and doing. And so then we're, like highlighting, resting and going in on that. And I would say, a little bit of a definition, at least for this shared space of soothing activities, resting communal care, spirituality, play, pleasure, imagination, is kind of like in this box that we're working with. And so I would also say rest is a hard choice, a journey, a routine, an embodiment, and a breaking of a curse that has been placed on us by our captors and flavors, colonizers, capitalist, sexist, racist and able bodied folks. And so, just to give that kind of like disclaimer, and rest is for everybody, it's inherent, it's a basic dignity. And it also is for the land, we keep kind of circling back to the land. The sacred landscapes are where the earth goes to rest. And so spiritual landscapes that humans go to, to rest and play and connect and give gratitude and pray. And other animals do that. The earth then is rejuvenated there, like our planet. And then Earth draws from that spiritual space to do the work of like supporting all the life forms. So I think it's important to understand like how important rest is in general. And so then I want to highlight the work of Trisha Hersey of the Nap Ministry. My rest coach, Cyan Davis of Trace of Cyan, and so I think it's always just important to know like, this is where this came from. And so the seven are how I'm going to wait. The seven aspects out for you are done by Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith. So, the seven let's start with sensory. So some of your senses are hear touch, taste, see smell, energy and spiritual. And so I like to start with sensory because the two habit forming hours are your first hour a week and your last hour to sleep before you sleep the last hour before you sleep, and kind of in these habit forming hours the more that we rest in them, the more that our body like chemical makeup, well, in hit like it will want to rest because these are the habits that it's creating. And these are how it forms habits and these two hours and easy way to do that is like to dampen your senses somehow with your sensory rest. Okay, so then second, we'll do social. So those are the how we contact and engage with other people. especially our social contracts that are verbal, nonverbal, energetic, then we have the third one as emotional. So those are the boundaries and our self expression. And so then we have for creative. And so that's, I guess, being creative, whatever that means to you, which is kind of like imaginative and inspiration, your imagination and your inspiration. And I think some of like, your affirmations are there, if you're getting like affirmed. And then where are we five. So that's physical rest. And I think that's what a lot of people think, when you say rest, they're like, Oh, I'm sleeping eight hours, I'm taking naps. You know, I'm putting my feet up. So that is sleeping and napping, are the passive forms of physical rest. And then there's like restorative activities. So these are engaging physical rest. So maybe you're stretching or getting a massage or taking a bath, you're kind of doing something soothing, but you got to put in a little bit of effort. Or anything that like improves your circulation, getting anything like that. So then write six is mental. So if you think like you're getting a headache, or just kind of like any kind of nervous system, things can be mental, and to remedy that you're taking short pauses. So just thinking about that mental rest. And then the last one, the seventh one is spiritual. So this is like your prayer, your meditation, your altars, your magic, herbal medicine, your outside time, connection. So what I like in this one is that spirituality, spiritual rests gives you belonging, love, acceptance, and purpose. And so kind of like sensory rest, we're talking about the habit forming hours in spiritual rest, there's when, I guess people say in a lot of different ways, but how it's easiest to connect with the spiritual realm. So that's the hour before sunrise, and the hour after sunrise, and then also in the winter, or whenever, like, the sun is most waning in your hemisphere. So those are great moments to get spiritual rest, because it can be amplified. Those are the seven!


Jamee Pineda
I was just thinking about. Well, first of all, thank you for sharing that. My brain is just it's like ticking away. I'm thinking about how how these different activities will intersect with each other. So that you have like a combination of different kinds of rests that are necessary. Like, for example, I was, I was just thinking about when I do spiritual reading readings for people through Hilo, which is the traditional medicine from my ancestral lineage in the Philippines. And like I, like if I'm not good about my spiritual energetic boundaries, that kind of information or that kind of activity, just, it wipes me out. And it's a very different fatigue than physical fatigue or emotional fatigue. Yeah, I just, I appreciate you breaking it down, that there's a different kind of spiritual rest. There's a different kind of rest we need for creativity, which I mean for me for this past year. Because I'm like working on my small business and I'm constantly generating content for social media or for my newsletter, that takes so much energy and that takes a different kind of recuperation than other activities do for me. So it's, it's such a nice what's it called, I appreciate the structure around talking about rest, because then I can be more specific about how I actually can rest myself and be more strategic about it.


kuwa jasiri
Love that. Thank you for sharing and that also, I wanted to bring up in my practice I'm just seeing I'm just noticing a lot of after work rest, like a specific moments, arrests and kind of like we're talking about the habit forming hours or the sunrise and winter. I think that like our when you stop breath that when you stop working, whatever that money, activity is for you. or just kind of is going to have to generate money. You know, that's, that's a capitalist mindset, right? But I, I'm saying whatever word means to you having a after work rest routine of some kind, because what you're saying identifying how you exhausted yourself realizing that that did exhaust you and figuring out that actual plan of care that will remedy the exhaust you have,


Jamee Pineda
right and the and the like A plus action is how can we do these things without reaching a point of exhaustion at the end? That's the prevent. That's the real preventative medicine. How can we do it without exhausting ourselves?


kuwa jasiri
Because I feel like we live up in like a burnout. space with like activists, grassroots community organizers, I feel like, we have this like, yeah, just do it till you burn out. But it's like, No, how can we recognize what the signs are, and the messages they convey and remedy that and never have to like, being exhausted or for long, you know, you can recruit, obviously, we'll get exhausted, but then we can recuperate and stay exactly that, like I want to keep having a community I don't want us to burn out and never want to engage again.


Jamee Pineda
Or how like, because there are you're right, like there's times where we can't afford or can't avoid to rest. Or were sorry, I said that we're but there's times when we can't avoid exhausting ourselves like it happens, for whatever reason, right? So how can how can we have agency in that, like if we need to choose or if we're put in a position where we are we know we're going to exhaust ourselves like, how can we do some harm reduction in that? And how can we prevent that from happening again in the future?


kuwa jasiri
Yeah, I love that harm reduction. You're using all these terms that I love and like


Jamee Pineda
it's it's real, you know, like, sometimes it's like, you got to push through for whatever reason, you know, like, maybe everybody's sick in the house, but you're the least sick. So you're the one who has to go to get the groceries or whatever, you know, like, like we can't, we can't have it like perfect all the time. That's that's not real. But But what can we do? Right, that's where we can start. If you're loving this podcast and want to support captioned episodes on YouTube, head over to patreon.com/jamie Panetta healing arts. You can also review and like us on Apple podcasts and share episodes with friends and family. Thanks so much everyone for your support. Let's talk about burnout a little bit. How are some of the ways that people might start identifying that they are becoming out of balance or feeling burnt out or you know, acting out of alignment with themselves?


kuwa jasiri
Right, there are signs there's always signs no matter what we're going through whatever relationship type we're in, there are signs of all kinds of things, right? Things going positive things going negative things are difficult, easy. And so we can burn out and any kinds of relationships. I feel like we usually think of human relationships, but I feel like I'm burnt out on some places, some rules, some things like that, and also trying to figure out harmony in my body, how can I be at peace even it's like, the chaos is all around me. So that was my journey for you back to the six areas. I would say first is your energy level. Are you exhausted? Are you high energy and it got zapped really quickly? Do you kind of always have a slow drain? Are you wanting to stay in bed? The second is noticing your body? Do you have tension to kind of have like bubble guts or do you have just real stiffness or feel rigid? Are you always out of your body having out of body experiences? Three maybe your emotions frustration, anger, they're sending you a message. And so noticing your emotions and noticing your emotions like do those always come up right after I stopped like engaging in that relationship or while I'm engaging in that relationship? Fourth is your routines we have like a spiritual social hygiene moneymaking routines, hobbies, if you're noticing any of those routines start to fall away. That's, that's definitely a sign that you're moving towards burnout. So five, I would say your self expression, are you able to say no? Are you saying yes? Do you have self praise? Are you just like expressing your needs? Like, oh, yes or no. And this is like, you know, my added specifics. Six is like your creativity. Are you less playful? Are you unimaginative? Can you not imagine a future in that relationship? It's kind of like, you know, going into today, you know, that's as far as my mind can go today. And then the last one, seven, I'd say determination. Do you have excitement to do the tasks? Do you frequently cancel? Do you frequently cancel at the last minute? Are you unable to hold information in your mind, which is a little bit ableist? To your capacity, like, you know, while you're in a meeting, or if you're planning a session, or you just keep, like, just all the pieces, all the moving parts, just, you know, you can't keep it in your mind, you can't move forward with the thing that you're trying to plan? Are you less creative, when usually, you have a lot more ideas in that relationship. So those are things to notice. And I feel like I'm, I'm excited to be in a community that identifies that and notices them and helps each other like, Hey, I noticed you had this going on for you, maybe you're feeling like, a little bit like tension in the space, is there something we could do or, you know, noticing it for each other noticing for ourselves having spaces that, you know, these are our norms, we're noticing this for each other things like that.


Jamee Pineda
I love hearing all of the different ways to identify when we're experiencing burnout, because I feel like there's a misconception that people think burnout is a very emotional experience. And for a lot of people, it's it's not necessarily felt in the emotions. It's like a very physical experience. For me, it's very physical. I remember back when Trump was elected, I was working in a community clinic at the time. And obviously, this was a very stressful experience for a lot of people. And I remember that day, the clinic was flooded with people, and everyone had the same complaint, which was neck pain, from this stress of like, you know, like, following the campaign, and then finally election night, and I just saw that as like, you know, a collective experience of, of ongoing stress and fright and all of these emotions. Yeah, it was, it was just very interesting. And then I remember that following that winter, after that election, we had a huge amount of respiratory issues coming into the clinic, related to grief and fear for a lot of queer folks, a lot of community members who knew they're going to be more vulnerable because of that election. Yeah, like it was, it was really sad to see and also just really interesting to see what was happening on a more collective level of burnout. Alright, right. And for those of us who are not working directly with plants, like through seed saving or farming, how can we connect more deeply to nature?


kuwa jasiri
I love that. And I also want to say separation is an illusion. So we're all doing the same things. People who work directly with plants can do the same, right? It's the beginner moves, I guess, of you know, someone who's like far along on the journey and someone who's just starting out, so and when you look around, right when you when you learn something new, like within the plant world. So I would say there's a lot of ways to engage and be creative, right? Like, if a message is coming to you, or if a plant is calling to you just like go with whatever's happening. But my favorites are drawing or photographing plants, like just right outside my house, like what's out here and then kind of going further in my neighborhood and then going out on my route, like, this is the way I go to the store and then kind of identifying some plants that I want to draw or photograph there. And so when you're drawing and photographing, you can find out their names and then you're just wanting to notice their attributes like how many petals how many leaves the branch As my other favorite is finding and connecting with the tallest tree and the fattest tree in my neighborhood. And I went to the hospital to visit my grandma yesterday and I found the tallest tree just in the parking lot. And we hung out and I was like my grandma's in there. What do you do out here? And just, you know, sharing something like I'm a person, your tree. And so when I. Okay, so how do I say this? Well, I guess when I'm in a new place, kind of, like I just said, in the parking lot of the hospital, I just find a plant and say, Hey, because there's just, there's plants all around us. So just just finding one does anyone one that you pass by maybe engaging like, physically in some way, but usually I just say hi, you know, maybe I touch it. Another way I really like and that I want to get back into because I am mostly hanging out with the plants is connecting with other animals through their tracks, and Scott. And I just love that I found some coyote poop the other day on our walk. And sometimes I just track the other hikers, you know, lift the footprints just to practice my skill or the vehicles that are going wherever, you know, after a rain or in the sands, like if I go to the beach, I just track the people's footprints and kind of thinking about, you know, oh, they wandered off this way. Oh, that footprints wander off that way and just starting to practice that skill of tracking. So I also love trying to make my own medicine or not trying at this point I do but attempting to make your own medicine or cosmetics or toiletries or food. Right anything that's going to like, Oh, I've been wanting to make this and I just want to tell you that making medicine on your own is fairly simple. You know, I think they give it a try to tell us that it's hard. And we need to go to the doctor. But it's fairly simple. And I believe that. And then I would say the last way is spiritually, making an altar, having a journal, journaling your dreams. Those are great places to beginner 30 Every wild thing I would say


Jamee Pineda
thank you for that, that's those are all very doable, low barrier, ways to access that. And you I mean, you're right, you can do any of those, whether you're in an urban setting or a rural setting, like it doesn't really matter, you don't even have to go outside.


kuwa jasiri
You don't have to go outside. I love that too. Like from your window. If you're incarcerated if you're in a psychiatric facility, you know, usually there's a tiny hole you can look out of and you know, its sight is something you have you can engage, you know, with the sky with maybe birds going by. There is always options, even your memories, if that's all you have just tapping into a memory of when you were in nature and using your imagination.


Jamee Pineda
Are there any offerings that you have going on? That you'd like to share?


kuwa jasiri
Oh, I love that. Thank you. Ah, I'm like, all of the holiday seasons are coming up and currently kind of in a sanctuary moment, I tried to learn what a sabbatical is. So like, I think I need


Jamee Pineda
a form of rest.


kuwa jasiri
Or you get paid. I'm like I need more detail. Figure out how I can apply for that and get some sabbatical. So all of that to say what are we doing artist the season fundraiser is in December. We have a seed drive pretty much going on right now. So if you grow your own seeds are connected with the community garden, we would love your seeds that you're growing. We do a nourishment at home tutorial caption video series on YouTube, so that something can pop into. We have shut in pen pals. And so if you want to postal dates letter and you have like immuno compromised or chronic pain or some like elderly some other reason you're shut in or you're incarcerated or in a detention center. We would love to write you and have connection. So then our liberation meditation is kind of a new thing that we're doing via our Patreon and yeah, just doing regular like meditations to help our community deepen that practice and for it to become normalized I'm finding not a lot of gender queer people of heritage are meditating or feel comfortable in the meditation space. I'm definitely doing the liberation coaching, have educational easy wins and illustrations that I'm always making. I'm actually a finalist in the broken pencils, zine awards in two categories with magazines. Oh, exciting. Yeah. And I can actually talk about it now because it started today. It's been a secret. So like, ah, out in the world.


Jamee Pineda
Yay. I just made my first zine that I haven't released yet. So I'm a baby in that process. So I might have to tap you for some ways


kuwa jasiri
that I actually have a zine making service and maybe I need to do more consultations and be encouraging of people making their own because I am all about that. But some organizations work with me to get their message out to their community and kind of like a playful paper primer.


Jamee Pineda
Also, what is the best way for people to connect with you?


kuwa jasiri
Um, our website is artisticapothecary.org Our Patreon is patreon.com/authenticcreations. Um, that's mostly where we hang out. You can find our YouTube box of that and kind of everything that's happening and we have a newsletter so at the bottom of our website, sign up for that.


Jamee Pineda
And last but not least, kuwa jasiri who would you like to name for our community shout out? Are there any BIPOC individuals or groups that you would like us to highlight to encourage folks to redistribute resources to?


kuwa jasiri
Nice! Yes, of course, we're doing that work and it is birthed out of the indigenous Dine Supporters Network. So I'll definitely first give them a shout out. And it's kind of growing into a word-of-mouth network. So I would encourage you to tell you know everyone in your social circle that you're interested in participating and you'll actually be surprised that someone in your network already is doing this work. Although you can definitely come to our website and message me and I can get you linked up to either sponsor an elder or go aid family directly on their home site. And there are resources online and the Spanish name for the tribe is Navajo. So there's definitely some resources and then we just did a year with the Taino people in Borike, Puerto Rico, working with Urbe Apie and so I definitely want to give them a shout out. And they have a community garden, a community squat, community gallery, a community thrift store. And so they have super inspired me on a community market to so many amazing resources for their community. And you can PayPal them through their website.


Jamee Pineda
Yay, thank you so much for sharing that info.


kuwa jasiri
That we have a resource page on our website because there are a lot of great groups doing work. And so kind of everyone that we're partnered with in any way, is on there. So I definitely just want to shout out that space too. And, you know, we need more kind of networking resources like that, too.


Jamee Pineda
I love it. We can link to that resource page on the show notes so people can get to it pretty easily. All right, so before we wrap up this conversation, is there anything else that you would like to share with our listeners?


kuwa jasiri
Oh, no. Thank you so much. Thank you for listening. Thank you for supporting decolonial liberation work. I'm so proud of all of you who are listening. This is hard work. We are doing it. We're doing this generational work of freedom. I'm just honored to be doing it with you, especially Jamie, thank you for having me on here. And this talk today really enlivens me, you know, I'm like, I feel rested from this conversation. I'm like, steamed up, energized and like My life. Just really proud of myself. So thank you.


Jamee Pineda
Oh, you should be you're doing so much cool stuff. And I'm so glad that we got to connect through this podcast. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being such a fantastic guest.


kuwa jasiri
You're welcome. Take care


Jamee Pineda
Maraming salamat for listening to The Decolonizing Medicine Podcast. Music is by Amber Ojeda, hed kandi, and Rocky Marciano. Big thanks to Laurenellen McCann, my sweetie and fabulous audio engineer, and all our listeners and supporters out there. Ingat!